Luna Hoʻokele Kurtis David Harder Pule kahi kiʻi hoʻoweliweli psychological psychological weliweli e pili ana i kahi kāne like kāne i neʻe mai ke kūlanakauhale nui a kahi kūlanakauhale liʻiliʻi me kā lāua kaikamahine ʻōpio e huki. ʻOiai he mea ʻoluʻolu a maikaʻi ʻole nā ​​mea āpau, aia kekahi mea malumalu ma lalo o ka ʻili. ʻAʻole e huikau me Spiral: Mai ka Buke ʻIka, Pule Kākoʻo i kekahi mau poʻomanaʻo kaumaha, e kamaʻilio ana i ka homophobia, ka hoʻokalakiko, a me ke olakino noʻonoʻo, nā mea āpau ma lalo o nā ʻōlelo kānalua.

ʻOiai kuhikuhi ʻia e Harder, Pule i kākau ʻia e Colin Minihan (Nā Hōʻuluʻulu Kupapaʻu, He aha kāu e ola ai) a me John Poliquin (Nā Hanana 2). Ua loaʻa iaʻu ka manawa kūpono e noho pū me Minihan a me Poliquin e kūkākūkā Pule, nā hoʻomana, ka weliweli weliweli, ke ola i nā makahiki 90, a me nā hopena weliweli.

Hiki iāʻoe ke heluhelu ʻO kā Waylon nānā piha ʻana o Pule, ke kahe nei i kēia manawa ma Shudder.

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Kelly McNeely: No hea mai kēia palapala a i ʻole kēia manaʻo?

John Poliquin: No laila he hopena ia i ke koho balota o 2016 a me nā haʻiʻōlelo hoʻokaʻawale a Trump i hoʻohana ai, a ʻo ke ala wale nō i ʻike maka ʻia e ka scapegoated kanaka, i ka hopena, e hoʻāla i kahi kumu. A he mea weliweli loa ia, a maopopo leʻa ʻaʻole ia kekahi mea i hana ʻole ʻia ma loko o ka mōʻaukala, ʻike ʻoe, ʻike nō mākou iā ia, akā ke noho wale nei ia, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke nānā aku.

Ke hana nei mākou i kahi manaʻo, a like mākou, e paʻa, e noʻonoʻo me kahi manaʻo e lawe i kēia mau kumuhana, e kau i kahi aniani weliweli ma luna ona, hana ia no kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, akā, aia kekahi mea i e ʻōlelo. A ma laila mai ia, ʻoiaʻiʻo. A eia nō hoʻi, ʻano pīhaʻi wau, a ke kamaʻilio nei māua ʻo Colin e pili ana i ka hana ʻana i kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni i hoʻokumu ʻia me ka tonally i hilinaʻi ʻia i ka mea kupua. No laila makemake mākou e loaʻa i kekahi mea, a manaʻo wau ʻo kēlā mau manaʻo ʻelua i male ʻia i kahi ʻano hoihoi loa. A no laila ʻo ia ke ola o ka manaʻo.

Kelly McNeely: Colin, me He aha kāu e mau ai a Pule, ʻo kēia ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni lua lua āu i hana ai, aʻu e manaʻo nei he kupanaha, he mea nui ia e lawe i kēlā mau moʻolelo i waho. Makemake wau e ʻeli i kāu hoʻoholo e ʻimi i kēlā mau moʻolelo.

ʻO Colin Minihan: ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu inā e noʻonoʻo wau i nā moʻolelo no kēia kiʻi ʻoniʻoni ke He aha kāu e mau ai ua loaʻa i kāna pelekikena mua, akā ʻo kekahi o nā mea aʻu i lawe maoli ai mai ka ʻike wale o He aha kāu e mau ai ke ʻike nei i ke ʻano o ka ʻae o ke kaiāulu kūleʻa a hauʻoli hoʻi i ka ʻike ʻana i ka hōʻike ma ka pakuhi i manaʻo ʻia he ʻoiaʻiʻo a ʻaʻole hoʻohana ʻia i kekahi ʻano. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻaʻole hoʻohana ʻia lākou no ka ʻaka a me nā mea ʻē aʻe. A ua ʻano nīnau mau wau iaʻu iho, i ka wā e hele ai ka gehena i kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni weliweli nui e hōkū nei i nā kāne kāne ʻelua i ka pilina i hiki iā mākou ke hoʻomaka e hana maʻamau i ka ʻike wale ʻana i nā kāne e kino a aloha pū kekahi. 

Manaʻo wau i ka nui o ka poʻe - keu hoʻi i ka mea a JP e kamaʻilio nei - nā poʻe e hōʻino ʻia e pili ana i "nā mea ʻē aʻe". Manaʻo wau he kumu nui e hele ai lākou i luna, a no ke aha e wikiwiki ai lākou e kuhikuhi, no ka mea ʻaʻole lākou i ʻike, a ʻaʻole lākou i ʻike i ka lawa. A no laila, inā hiki iā mākou ke hana i nā huakaʻina aloha e mālama ʻia e like me nā kāne ʻē aʻe, akāka, i [Pule], ʻokoʻa ka mālama ʻana iā lākou. Akā inā hiki iā mākou ke hōʻike iā lākou i kēlā ʻano, a laila manaʻo wau ua lanakila mākou, no ka mea ke hana maʻamau nei mākou i kahi mea pono e ʻumeʻume maʻamau i kēia manawa. Manaʻo wau he mea hoʻoikaika maoli kēlā i ka makemake e hana Pule. Ma muli o ka nui ʻole - manaʻo wau aia kekahi mau mea hou aʻe e hoʻomaka i ke ʻano pop up paha, ke ʻike nei ʻoe i kahi mea hou aʻe - nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni e ukali i kēlā ʻano pilina ma ke kikowaena, ʻaʻole ma ke ʻano he subplot.

Kelly McNeely: Hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio iki e pili ana i ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana Pule i nā makahiki 90 a he aha kāu i hoʻoholo ai e hana i kēlā, hou, ke ʻano o ka hopena i ke koho balota 2016?

John Poliquin: ʻO wau e, he mea kūpono e hoʻonohonoho i nā 90s. ʻIke ʻoe, he manawa maka maoli ia no ke kaiāulu LGBT. Ua luku wale ʻia ka maʻi ʻo AIDS i nā kūlanakauhale, a nui ka trauma a puni ia, a i hoʻohana ʻia a i ʻole mea kaua ʻia e ka nui o nā conservatives ma ke ʻano he kumu e makaʻu ai i ka poʻe kāne a, ʻike ʻoe, pono lākou. A he nui nā ʻano weliweli a kokoke i kēia, e like me ka ʻāpono no ka mālama ʻana iā lākou e like me nā moʻo, ka poʻe helehelena, keu hoʻi i nā kaiāulu liʻiliʻi. A laila he manawa palekana ʻole ia e noho ai i kahi kaiāulu, ma ke ʻano he kāne kūkae i nā makahiki 90.

ʻIke ʻoe, aia ka pepehi kanaka ʻana o Brandon Teena i hana ʻia i kiʻi ʻoniʻoni. Mai Uwē nā Keikikāne, a laila maopopo iā ʻoe, ʻo Matthew Shepard, no laila aia kēia kūlana kiʻekiʻe āpau, nā mea pepehi kanaka weliweli e hana ʻia ana, a ʻaʻole lākou e kiʻi maoli i ka uē nui o ka lehulehu i kēlā manawa. I kēia manawa ua lilo lākou i kēia mea nui, akā i ka makahiki 90, ʻano nui ia i kahili ʻia ma lalo o ke kapeta e like me, "ʻē, ua kūpono lākou" he ʻano nui ke ʻano.

No laila, manaʻo wale wau me kēlā mau mea āpau i ka noʻonoʻo, he manawa maka wale nō ia a he mea kūpono ia mākou e hoʻonohonoho i ke kiʻi ma laila. A ʻo wau hoʻi, ke kaʻawale, manaʻo wau aia kekahi mea e pili ana i ka 90s media pre-social media i hoʻokumu i kēia kūlana kaʻawale loa no Malik. ʻAʻole wale ʻo ia i kaʻawale mai ke kaiāulu, akā ua kaʻawale ʻo ia e kona ʻohana, a ʻaʻohe ona pilina maoli ma waho o ke kaona. No laila manaʻo wau i kēlā mau mea āpau.

Kelly McNeely: Manaʻo wau e pāʻani maoli ka ʻenehana iā ia i kahi ala nui. Ma muli o kou maʻa mau i ka ʻike ʻana i nā ʻenehana i nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni weliweli o kēia manawa, ʻenehana i hoʻohana ʻia e hoʻohui i nā poʻe. Akā manaʻo wau i kēlā manaʻo, no ka hana ʻana ia mea paʻakikī loa e hoʻohui me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe e ʻike i nā mea e hana nei, hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻokani i kahi pāʻani iki.

John Poliquin: ʻAe, makemake wau, ʻo Colin lāua ʻo mākou nā keiki o nā 90s. Pēlā nō ia - i kahi ʻano ʻē - he leka aloha i kēlā au ke pili i nā ʻano.

Kelly McNeely: A me ke ʻano.

ʻO Colin Minihan: Makemake au i loko o ka hale i hoʻonohonoho ʻia, no ka mea e kīkē wau i hope, a ua like wau me, ooh, kīwī kīwī, mea pāʻani VHS, like kēia me kahi pāʻina hoʻomehana mahana i kēia manawa, ʻoluʻolu. 

John Poliquin: ʻAe, ua like ia me kā mākou hele -to area ke kī ʻana lākou i nā wahi ʻē aʻe, noho wale mākou i ka papahele o ka lumi, e like me, [ʻūlū ʻuhane], ʻoluʻolu wau ma aneʻi [ʻakaʻaka].

Kelly McNeely: I kēia manawa, aia kekahi mau laina ikaika o ke kamaʻilio ʻana, me nā poʻomanaʻo o ke kaulike ʻole a me ka paranoia a me ke ʻano o nā ʻano i kēlā manawa, a akāka hoʻi e hōʻike nei i kēia manawa ʻEkolu mau makahiki ma hope mai, ke hoʻomau nei ka makaʻu i kahi ala nui maoli. No laila pehea ʻoe e ʻimi ai i kēlā a lawe i mua? A he mea nui ia iā ʻoe i ke kamaʻilio e kū pololei me ka hiki? E ʻōlelo e like, ʻo kēia kā mākou e kūkākūkā nei, pono ʻoe e makaʻala i kēia.

ʻO Colin Minihan: ʻIke wau he mea nui ia. Aia kahi ʻōlelo Bret Easton Ellis aʻu e heluhelu ai, kahi āna e lawe ai i kahi kolohe ma nā moʻolelo i loaʻa ka leka. A ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo he haʻi maikaʻi kā kā mākou kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, akā manaʻo wau ʻo ka mea e nānā ana iā ia e kāʻili i kēlā leka. A, noʻu, makemake nui wau i ka poʻe hoʻolohe e lawe i kekahi mea me ka nalowale, no ka mea ua kanu ʻia ia i ka subtext o ka moʻolelo. No laila ua makemake nui mākou e kī i ke kumuhana.

A ʻo kahi kernel nui no hea mai kēia - a no ke aha i hiki ai iā mākou ke hoʻonohonoho iā ia i nā makahiki 90 - no ka mea me he mea lā i kēlā me kēia mau makahiki he 90, aia kekahi mea hou e makaʻu ai. ʻO ʻAmelika kahi ala nui a kaha ʻia e hana ai i kahi hapa nui o ka lehulehu makaʻu i kēlā mea ʻē aʻe. A ʻike ʻoe ia manawa. Ua ʻike ʻoe ia ma nā XNUMXs. A e ʻike aku ana ʻoe i ka wā e hiki mai ana. A manaʻo wau ʻaneʻane hoʻomaka ia e manaʻo he ala ia e hoʻomau ai i ko lākou ʻano o ke ola. No laila ua hoʻomaka mākou e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i kēlā ʻano ʻano hoʻomana e like me, a ma laila nō i hoʻomaka ai ka moʻolelo i ke ʻano o kāna hana.

John Poliquin: I ko Colin manaʻo, makemake mākou e hilinaʻi iā ia. A manaʻo wau he kaulike ia, akā ʻoiai me ka ʻōlelo a Malik iā ʻAʻarona, maopopo iā ʻoe, he aha ka huaʻōlelo male no kahi ʻAnakala Tom. ʻO kēlā ʻano hōʻuluʻulu manaʻo i ka pilina. ʻO wau e ʻōlelo nei, nui a hewahewa nā mea like ʻole e hana nei i ka script, akā ʻo ia ka mea ikaika e hiki ai iā ʻAʻarona ke hele, a i ʻole e hui pū i kahi moʻomeheu i ʻoi aku ka nui, ʻoiai ʻaʻole loaʻa ka manawa kūpono iā Malik, a ke hoʻomālamalama mau nei ʻo Aaron iā ia. , a like ia, ʻeā, ma ka ʻaoʻao hea ʻoe, e ʻAʻarona? A ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke ʻike i ka weliweli a puni iā ​​ia.

ʻO Colin Minihan: No ka mea ua ola ʻo ia ma ke ʻano pololei no ka lōʻihi. A ʻaʻole ia e like me ka flamboyant, a ʻoi aku kona maʻalahi e hoʻokipa, a manaʻo wau he ʻano hoihoi ia no nā ʻano.

John Poliquin: ʻAe. Akā manaʻo wau me ke kamaʻilio ʻana, makemake maoli mākou e ʻeli. Manaʻo wau ke hele a kū nei i ke ʻano o ka leo a me kā lākou kamaʻilio ʻana me kekahi. Akā ua makemake mākou e hōʻoia i ka hala ʻole o kekahi i nā poʻomanaʻo a e waiho nani ʻia ia i waho.

Kelly McNeely: A manaʻo wau [me kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni ʻo Kanada] e hoʻonoho nei i ʻAmelika he koho naʻauao loa, no ka mea aia kekahi mea nui a hiki i ka makaʻu i kekahi. “Aia kekahi ma kahi makaʻu ʻē aʻe. Aia mau nō. A ma laila mau e "kekahi o nā laina mai ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni ...

John Poliquin: ʻAe, ʻo ia ka groupthink, ʻo ia ke ala a mākou e mālama ai i ke kūlana quo. 

ʻO Colin Minihan: Pāʻani kā lākou pāpaho i kēlā me he mea ʻole lā.

John Poloquin: ʻO ia nō kekahi mea aʻu e manaʻo ai he mea nui na mākou, ʻo ia nō ka hōʻike a [nā hoalauna], ʻo Marshall lāua ʻo Tiffany, ʻaʻole he homophobic a i ʻole ʻano hoʻokae. ʻOi aku ka hewa o lākou i ke ala a lākou e pōmaikaʻi ai i kēia ʻōnaehana i hoʻolālā ʻia e pahu i lalo i nā mea i hoʻolālā ʻia o nā makahiki he ʻumi. A manaʻo wau he hewa ka hapa nui o ka poʻe i kēia, kahi e like ai, ʻae, ʻaʻole paha ʻoe he lāhui, a i ʻole ʻoe e ʻōlelo nei i nā mea kolohe, a i ʻole manaʻo ʻoe he huhū kou, akā inā ʻoe ʻaʻole hoʻohemo a aʻo paha iā ʻoe iho e hoʻomaopopo i ka holo ʻana o kēia ʻano keokeo keʻokeʻo i kā mākou kaiāulu a ke hoʻohana nei mākou iā ia, a laila ʻano ʻāpana ʻoe o ka pilikia.

Kelly McNeely: I kēia manawa, pehea ʻoe e hana ai i kāu hoʻomana ponoʻī? He aha ke kaʻina hana o ka hoʻoholo ʻana i kēia ʻano hoʻomana? No ka mea he mea ʻoluʻolu kēlā i ke kaʻina hana.

ʻO Colin Minihan: Manaʻo wau makemake ʻoe e waiho i nā nīnau he nui ʻole i pane ʻole ʻia. No ka mea ke hoʻomaka ʻoe e kākau i nā kumu o ka hoʻomana, hiki i nā mea ke hoʻomaka me ka wikiwiki ʻole. A inā ʻaʻohe ke ʻano o ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, a laila lilo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ia mea a ʻoi aku ka maʻalahi o ka hele ʻana i kēlā huakaʻi. Ma ka liʻiliʻi noʻu. Aloha mau wau i kahi honua maoli, ka pīhoihoi manawa maoli, ʻo ia nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni aʻu i ulu ai. No laila mākou e hoʻāʻo e hāʻawi wale iā ʻoe e pili ana i ka hoʻomana, a he aha kā lākou kumu a pehea e hoʻohana ai lākou. ʻO nā mea āpau i ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni he ʻano mea kanu maoli ia, a laila hāʻule ʻo Malik i loko o kā lākou pahele. 

John Poliquin: ʻO nā mea āpau āna e ʻike ai, makemake lākou e ʻike iā ia, ke hoʻohui nei lākou.

ʻO Colin Minihan: Hoʻomaopopo wau i nā kiʻi kikoʻī kahi e loaʻa ai iā ia nā transcripts o kāna kamaʻilio e loaʻa ana iā ia a me nā mea like. A aia kēia manawa holoʻokoʻa, akā makemake mākou e mālama iki ʻia ʻo ia i ka pouli, i ka hopena. Manaʻo wau he kiʻi paʻakikī ke kākau ʻana. Manaʻo wau ua lōʻihi ka lōʻihi ma mua o ka nui o nā papapihi aʻu e makemake ai, e ʻike i kā lākou mea koke, a he lohi ka ulu ʻana o kēia.

Kelly McNeely: He aha ka mea i makaʻu ai ʻolua? Pehea ʻoe i hoihoi mua ai i ka makaʻu?

ʻO Colin Minihan: Manaʻo wau he weliweli kahi kaiāulu o ka poʻe kūwaho, a ua ulu wau i nā manawa a nui me he mea lā he kūwaho i ke kaona o 2500, ʻaʻole makemake ka poʻe e kūpono wau i laila i kekahi mau makahiki. A loaʻa mau iaʻu kahi kipi kipi, a he kipi a kūʻē kūʻē, kūʻē kūʻē iā ia. He pīhoihoi kēlā ma ke ʻano he mea kaha kiʻi. A ʻaʻole ʻoe hilinaʻi ʻia - keu hoʻi i kou hoʻomaka ʻana - ʻaʻole ʻoe i kaukaʻi i nā mea hana keaka inoa waiwai nui e hui pū i nā kumuwaiwai e hana i kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni weliweli kūʻokoʻa. He pelaha kaʻu o kaʻu kiʻi ʻoniʻoni weliweli mua - Nā Hoa Kupapau - ma ka paia. A ʻo ia maoli ka ʻuhane kūʻokoʻa maoli o ka loaʻa ʻana o kahi hui liʻiliʻi loa o nā hoaaloha e hui pū me $ 100,000 a hana i kekahi mea a laila lawe i kahi ola holoʻokoʻa nona iho. 

A he mea weliweli pū kekahi, no ka mea, ʻike ʻoe, Pule he hana keaka, Pule mea pīhoihoi, Pule he kiʻi ʻino pū kekahi. Akā ʻo ka nui o ke kamaʻilio ʻana i hala ma ʻō aku o ka pololei, he kiʻi ʻoniʻoni ia e pili ana i kahi hoʻomana. ʻOi aku ka nui, a ʻo ia ka mea maikaʻi e pili ana i ka weliweli hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻimi maoli i nā ʻano mea like ʻole a me nā ʻano o nā ʻano o loko. Akā he moʻolelo moʻomeheu nō naʻe.

John Poliquin: ʻAe, e ʻōlelo wau ʻo ka weliweli ka mea pā. He nui ia o ka poʻe kūwaho, nui ka poʻe i manaʻo ʻokoʻa, a ʻike lākou i nā kumuhana a lākou e pili ai - a i ʻole nā ​​huapalapala a lākou e pili ai - i ka weliweli e hōʻike ʻole ʻia i ka mainstream a i ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, nā ʻano hanohano hou aku. Akā manaʻo pū wau he ʻano visceral maoli ia, a ʻae ia i ka poʻe e ʻike maoli i ka manaʻo maoli maoli, a hiki iā ia ke hāpai i kahi aniani a hoʻonāukiuki i nā ʻano ʻike a me nā ʻano hoihoi āpau. Akā he leʻaleʻa pū kekahi! Ua hele au i loko e nānā i ka weliweli me nā hui o nā hoaaloha i ke wā kamaliʻi, ʻo ia kaʻu hoʻolauna i nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni weliweli. A he ʻano leʻaleʻa ia e nānā me nā poʻe a kūkākūkā ma hope a manaʻo i kekahi mea.

Kelly McNeely: Manaʻo wau he ʻīpuka nui kēlā ala, no ka mea, komo ʻoe i loko o ia i kou wā ʻōpio, ke nānā wale nei i nā mea leʻaleʻa. A laila loaʻa ʻoe ma muli o kou ʻelemakule, hiki iā ʻoe ke nānā i nā mea ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī a ʻoi aku ka liʻiliʻi i kekahi manawa. 

Kelly McNeely: ʻO Colin, ma waena o nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni e like Halawai Hewa, He aha kāu e mau ai a Kahiko extraterrestrial, me he mea lā he ʻano aloha kou i kahi hopena palupalu, maikaʻi loa ia. Manaʻo ʻoe i ka hopena o Pule e lilo i hopena weliweli a i ʻole hopena hopena maikaʻi?

ʻO Colin Minihan: ʻĀ, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka bleaker [ʻakaʻaka].

John Poliquin: Ua kākau wau i kahi hopena hauʻoli maoli a ua pani ʻia [ʻakaʻaka].

ʻO Colin Minihan: Ua hana ʻoe, kau maoli ʻoe ma ka ʻaoʻao a hiki i ka pana ʻana. Ua ʻoki au i lalo no ka mea nui nui ia, a like wau, ʻaʻohe ala e kī ai mākou i kēia i nā lā 23, E kala mai iaʻu e JP akā hele pū mākou me ka weliweli e pau [ʻakaʻaka].

Manaʻo wau he huhū paha ka hopena weliweli i kahi mea hoʻolohe, a hoʻohaʻahaʻa paha ʻoe i kāu helu Rotten Tomato. Akā manaʻo wau i nā manawa pinepine, waiho ia iā ʻoe e hoʻomanaʻo i ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni me ke ʻano like, oh, maikaʻi loa nā mea āpau i kēia honua. Manaʻo wau hiki iā ia ke hoʻoulu i kahi kamaʻilio layered hou inā e hele mai ia mai kahi wahi maoli. Akā ua ʻōlelo ia, manaʻo wau aia ʻoe i ka nāhelehele o kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻomaka i kahi script a like, e lilo ia i hopena maikaʻi. Akā a laila e hōʻike ka palapala i kēlā maoli, ʻaʻole makemake ia ʻo ia kēlā. A no laila ua manaʻo wau e, e ke kāne, ʻaʻole kēia kiʻi ʻoniʻoni. ʻAʻole ia ka hopena o kēia moʻolelo, ʻike ʻoe, no ka mea maʻamau, e like me kaʻu i ʻōlelo ai, 10 mau makahiki mai kēia manawa e hele ana kekahi mea ʻē aʻe a mākou e ʻike ʻole ai, "maikaʻi ʻole kēlā kanaka, a ʻo lākou ke kumu no ka ʻAʻohe o ka papa waena, ʻo lākou ka mea i komo i loko a lawe i kā mākou mau hana! ”. A no laila ʻaʻole i pau ka moʻolelo. 

No laila ua hōʻaiʻē wale kēia kiʻiʻoniʻoni iā ​​ia iho e makemake e hoʻomau i kēlā ʻaoʻao, ʻo ia ke kumu i kapa ʻia ai ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni he aha ia. Minamina e kāhea ʻia nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni ʻē aʻe i kēia manawa, akā ua hele pū mākou me kahi ala e hana ai i kahi wahi manaʻolana, manaʻo wau, he mea nui ia. A manaʻo wau ʻo Kurtis [David Harder, alakaʻi] ua like ia, he hopena weliweli kēia, e ke kāne. A ʻo John, maopopo leʻa, ua hoʻāʻo ʻoe e kākau i kahi mana o ia mea hauʻoli, akā ua ʻike mākou i kahi ʻano waena kahi e ʻike ai ʻoe e hoʻohana ʻo Malik i kekahi mau palaoa no ka hanauna hou e hāʻawi iā lākou i kī. A manaʻo wau he leka maikaʻi kēlā, no ka mea, ʻo ia kā mākou hana i kēia manawa ʻaʻole pili iā mākou, akā e hoʻopili i ka hui o ka poʻe aʻe.