Ua pīhoihoi ʻo Robert Eggers i nā lehulehu me kāna hōʻike ʻoniʻoni i hoʻokumu ʻia, ʻO ka Witch, a lilo koke i inoa e kiaʻi ai ma ka ʻāpana o ka cinema genre. Ke kūkulu nei ke kakali no ka hoʻokuʻu ʻia o kāna kiʻi ʻoniʻoni hou loa, Ka Hale Kahu, kahi iho kuni i loko o ka pupule i kipaku ʻia e nā hana hoʻokūkū ʻelua e nā hōkū ʻo Robert Pattinson lāua ʻo Willem Dafoe.

Ua loaʻa iaʻu ka manawa kūpono e kamaʻilio me Eggers e pili ana Ka Hale Kahu, kāna mau hana kīkēkē, a me nā pilikia nui o ka hana ʻana i kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni me ka nānā pono i ke kikoʻī.

Kaomi ma aneʻi e heluhelu ai i kaʻu loiloi piha of Ka Hale Kahu mai kona premiere ma TIFF

Kelly McNeely: ʻO ka mua, he aha ka genesis o ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni? No hea mai kēia manaʻo? Pehea kēlā hānau?

ʻO Robert Eggers: Ke hana nei koʻu kaikunāne i kahi pākani kīʻī āna i ʻōlelo ai e pili ana i kahi moʻolelo ʻuhane i loko o ka hale ipukukui, a manaʻo wau he manaʻo maikaʻi loa ia a ke lana nei koʻu manaʻo ʻaʻole ia e hele mamao loa me ia i hiki ai iaʻu ke noi i kāna ʻae e ʻaihue. . A ʻo ia ka mea i hana ʻia no ka mea i kāna ʻōlelo ʻana i kahi moʻolelo ʻuhane i loko o ka hale ipukukui, kiʻi wau i kēia ʻeleʻele a keʻokeʻo, crusty, dusty, musty, austust lewa, like loa me ʻO Misery mai ka papa ʻaina mua. A makemake wau e ʻike i kahi moʻolelo i hele me kēlā lewa. 

No laila hoʻi i ka 2011 a i ka 2013, a i ʻole kekahi mea e like me kēlā, i ka wā i hoʻomaka ai wau e hana Ka Hale Kahu, ʻO ka Witch ua hui pū a i ke ala o kēlā ua kāhea wau i koʻu kaikaina a ʻōlelo aku, e nānā, e kākau pū mākou i kēia script lighthouse, ke hoʻomohala nei wau i kekahi mau mea nui aʻe, a manaʻo wau he mea naʻauao e loaʻa kahi mea liʻiliʻi i kaʻu ʻeke hope. No laila ua lawe mākou i kaʻu mau ʻaoʻao he 10 o ka pā kiʻi a me nā memo he nui a me nā kiʻi a hoʻololi ʻia i loko o kēia kiʻi ʻoniʻoni i mau makahiki i hala.

Kelly McNeely: Loaʻa iā ʻoe kēia hoʻohiki maoli i ka wā a me nā kikoʻī nani a me ka lewa, ma waena o nā kukui kūlohelohe, ka hale o ka hoʻonohonoho, ka nānā orthochromatic, a me ka lakio 1.19: 1. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio iki e pili ana i ke kaʻina hana no ka hōʻuluʻulu ʻana a me ke kūkulu ʻana i kēlā mau mea āpau i ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni?

ʻO Robert Eggers: ʻAe, ke manaʻo nei wau, ʻano like nā mea āpau, ʻimi mau wau i ka wā e kākau ana, a ʻohiʻohi ʻana i nā kiʻi i ke kākau ʻana, a hiki i nā kiʻi ke hoʻoulu i nā kumuhana a me nā mea āpau, no ka mea he moʻolelo lōʻihi loa kēia kiʻiʻoniʻoni i loko o kaʻu. ola kiʻi ʻoniʻoni. Kamaʻilio wau me Jarin Blaschke ka DP e pili ana i kēia no hoʻokahi makahiki, a ua loaʻa iā mākou nā ʻano manaʻo like ʻole. A ke iho mai nei nā ʻano āpau, i ka hopena, e like me ka mea e hiki ai iā mākou ke kau i ko mākou mau lima? A, maopopo iā ʻoe, makemake mākou e kī iā ia ma nā waihona kiʻi ʻoniʻoni orthochromatic e hiki ai iā ʻoe ke kūʻai no ke kiʻi paʻi kiʻi ʻana, akā ʻaʻohe mea nāna e hiki ke hana i kēlā me kēia i ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni kiʻi 35mm no mākou, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hāʻawi inā makemake mākou i No laila ua kū mākou ma ka bwXX, ka ʻeleʻele a me ke keʻokeʻo maikaʻi ʻole i loli mai ka makahiki 1950. 

Ua hele koke mai nā ʻeleʻele i kahi ala leʻaleʻa, he ʻokoʻa micro liʻiliʻi loa ia, a ʻike ʻoe i ka mea ʻē aʻe? Makemake, aia nō! [ʻakaʻaka] A laila hana ʻo Jarin me Schneider e hana i kahi kānana maʻamau e hāʻawi iā mākou i kahi hiʻohiʻona orthochromatic, a laila wehe ʻo Panavision i kā lākou lumi lumi o nā aniani kilokilo iā Jarin i hiki ke hele e like me kahi keikikāne kula nunui a ʻike i nā ʻano rarities āpau. Manaʻo wau he ʻelua a ʻekolu paha mau pana me kahi aniani ʻike ʻaʻole maopopo iā mākou he aha ia, no hea mai, i ka wā i hana ʻia ai. No laila manaʻo lākou, "e nānā ʻo Jarin i kēia" [ʻakaʻaka].

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Kelly McNeely: me ʻO ka Witch, Maopopo iaʻu ua huki ʻia ke kamaʻilio mai nā palapala o ka mōʻaukala. He aha ke kaʻina hana no ke kākau ʻana i ke kamaʻilio no Ka Hale Kahu?

ʻO Robert Eggers: ʻAe, ʻo ka ʻO ka Witch he nui nā huaʻōlelo i paʻa ʻole mai nā kumu manawa. ʻO kaʻu haʻaheo i kēlā manawa, ʻo ia ka mea e hoʻohanohano ai i kēia poʻe Puritans i koʻikoʻi loa i ko lākou mau manaʻoʻiʻo a me kā lākou ʻike honua e pono ai iaʻu, e like me, e hoʻohana i nā huaʻōlelo maoli a lākou i manaʻo ai. I kēia kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, ʻaʻohe nui o kā māua kaikuaʻana me nā huaʻōlelo i paʻa ʻole - aia kekahi, akā ʻaʻole nui. Akā ke huki wale nei mākou mai kā mākou kumuwaiwai manawa e ʻike i kahi ala e kākau ai i kā mākou kamaʻilio ponoʻī.

ʻO Sarah Orne Jewett ke kumu kōkua kōkua nui loa, mai ka mokuʻāina kahiko maikaʻi o Maine. Ke kākau nei ʻo ia i kā mākou wā a ke nīnauele nei ʻo ia i ka poʻe hana ma ke kapakai o Maine, a ke kākau nei i kāna mau moʻolelo nui i ka walaʻau. A laila ua loaʻa i kaʻu wahine iā mākou kahi puke e pili ana i ka hana dialect ma Sarah Orne Jewett i hāʻawi ʻia i nā lula no nā ʻano ʻōlelo like ʻole a laila hiki iā mākou ke kikoʻī me kā mākou hana ponoʻī. Akā he mau ʻōlelo paʻa ʻole kā Dafoe i hele pololei mai nā kāpena kai hoʻomaha i ka hana a Jewett, i manaʻo ʻia mai nā kāpena kai lita maoli. 

Kelly McNeely: Pehea e pili ana i nā accents? No ka mea aia kekahi mau kikoʻī kikoʻī loa a lākou e hoʻohana ai i loko Ka Malamalama.

ʻO Robert Eggers: No laila ke ʻano o kā Rob's pane, maopopo iā ʻoe, kahi accent kahiko o New England. E like me ka mea i hoʻokumu ʻia i ka accent hikina ma lalo, akā manaʻo wau inā ʻoe he New Englander maoli, ʻike ʻoe, loaʻa iā ʻoe ka ʻono o ka mea ʻaʻole hoʻokahi wale nō wahi ma New England i kona ola holoʻokoʻa. Ua kūʻai wau i koʻu kaʻa ʻohana i ka wā aʻu e kipa aku nei i koʻu mau mākua ma New Hampshire a ua ulu ka mea kūʻai aku kaʻa ma Boston a neʻe i Maine, a laila ʻo New Hampshire, a kani kokoke wau iā Rob, ʻano like lākou. ʻO ka leo o Dafoe kahi mea i manaʻo ʻia me ka Rhotic R– ka paʻakikī R, ka pirate Arr - aia ma Maine kahakai, ʻike mākou aia ma New Brunswick ma kahi ʻākau iki aku, a ma Nova Scotia ma kahi ʻākau aku ma mua o kēlā.

Kelly McNeely: Ke hoʻomanawanui maoli nei ʻo Robert Pattinson lāua ʻo Willem Dafoe; hele lākou ma luna a ma ʻō me ko lākou kino a me ko lākou naʻau. Aia kekahi manawa e huki i nā mea i hope?

ʻO Robert Eggers: ʻAʻole loa. ʻIke ʻoe, he moʻolelo koʻikoʻi loa kēia a ʻelua mau mea hoʻolaʻa nui, hoihoi, hana ikaika i hope o nā mea paʻakikī, a makemake e hoʻokau ʻia i kā lākou palena a ʻaʻole pono wau e huki i nā mea i hope. ʻAʻole pono wau e hoʻokau i nā mea, no ka mea makemake lākou e hāʻawi i kā lākou mea maikaʻi loa i kēia kiʻi ʻoniʻoni. Nui nā kūkākūkā i loko o ka nūpepa i ka wā ma mua e pili ana iā Robert Pattinson e makemake ana e kuʻi iaʻu i ka maka no kekahi hanana. Akā inā he ua ma waho a ʻaʻole heluhelu ka ua i kahi kokoke, pono ʻoe e huki i ke kaukā ahi no ka ua e heluhelu. A ʻaʻole maʻalahi kēlā. Akā ʻike ʻoe inā makemake ʻo Rob e hōʻeha iaʻu i ke kino, ʻaʻole wau i ʻike i kēlā manawa no ka mea he ʻoihana ʻo ia me hehena a makemake e hōʻoia i ka maikaʻi o kēlā manawa ke hiki. 

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Kelly McNeely: He aha nā kaʻao āu i huki mai ai e hoʻokumu i ka moʻolelo? 

ʻO Robert Eggers: Hoʻokumu ʻia nā iwi o ka moʻolelo ma ka mea i ʻōlelo ʻia he moʻolelo maoli. Kāhea ʻia ʻo Smalls Lighthouse Tragedy, a ua mālama ʻia ma Wales ma kahi o ka makahiki 1800. A he mau kahu hale kukui ʻelua ia, ʻo Thomas lāua ka inoa, ʻoi aku ka nui o ko lāua mau makahiki ʻōpio, ua kau ʻia i ka moku i ko lāua mokupuni ma kā lākou ipukukui no ka mea aia ka ʻino. Make ke kaikuaʻana, a huhū ka ʻōpio. Aia kahi moʻolelo kamaʻilio e like me ka hopena ʻaʻole wau e hoʻolaha, akā hiki iā ʻoe ke nānā maʻalahi. A ʻo ia ke ʻano o nā genesis o kēia - a i ʻole ʻo ia nā ʻanoʻano i kanu ʻia no ka moʻolelo e ulu aʻe. 

I ka manawa ʻo Max - koʻu kaikaina i kākau pū me aʻu - a ke hoʻomau nei au i ka ʻiʻo i ka moʻolelo, ua ʻōlelo mākou iā mākou iho, he aha nā kaʻao a me nā kaʻao moʻokalaleo a mākou i ʻike hewa ai? Me ʻO ka Witch Ke nānā aku nei wau iā Hansel a me Gretel, i waena o nā mea ʻē aʻe, ma hope o kaʻu kākau ʻana i ka mea aʻu i kākau ai i ke ʻano o ka hoʻopili hou ʻana iā Hansel a me Gretel-isms. No laila ua nīnau mākou iā mākou iho he aha nā kaʻao moʻokalaleo a mākou i ʻano hoʻohālikelike ai ma aneʻi e hoʻāʻo ai e hoʻokomo hou i nā kumuhana, nā motive, a me nā kiʻi. Ua koho mākou i nā kumu kuʻuna no ka mea pili i ka moʻo'ōlelo kahiko a Dafoe i hana ai i nā kilokilo kai i hoʻoulu ʻia e Melville. No laila aia kahi mishmash o nā mea like ʻole mai Proteus a Prometheus e huhū paha kekahi mau mea kahiko i kā mākou hui pū ʻana, akā, manaʻo wau ua maikaʻi. 

Kelly McNeely: Aloha au i ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā kukui kūlohelohe i nā mea ʻelua ʻO ka Witch a Ka Hale Kahu. He aha ka mea i hoʻonāukiuki iā ʻoe e kiʻi kiʻi ma kēlā ala? 

ʻO Robert Eggers: ʻO Jarin Blaschke - ka DP - a makemake wau i kahi ʻano kūlohelohe. ʻO ke kukui i Ka Hale Kahu ʻoi aku kaila ma mua o ʻO ka Witch; ʻO ka Witch Hoʻohana maoli ia i ka mālamalama maoli a me ka lapalapa no nā mea āpau akā i hoʻokahi a i ʻole ʻelua mau kī ʻana, koe wale no nā mea kūwaho i ka pō e pono e hoʻomālamalama. 

Ka Hale Kahu, ma ka ʻaoʻao ʻē, hoʻohana i nā ʻeleʻele a me keʻokeʻo maikaʻi ʻole i hoʻololi ʻole mai nā 1950s no laila pono ia i kahi mālamalama hou aʻe e lilo i hōʻike. Eia naʻe, ʻaʻole mākou i hoʻomālamalama iā ia e like me kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni kahiko; ʻoiai ke kukui nui a hoʻomāhuahua i ka chiaroscuro, ʻaʻole like me nā kiʻi ʻoniʻoni kahiko, hoʻohana mākou i nā kumu kukui pono kūpono i kahi e hoʻomālamalama i nā hanana. ʻLelo ia, ʻaʻole ia he lapalapa maoli i kēlā kukui ʻaila no ka mea ʻaʻole ʻoe e ʻike ʻia mai kahi lapalapa. No laila he 600 watt kukui o mākou ma luna o ka dimmer flicker e hana nei i kēlā ʻano like me ka lapalapa. A makemake au ia, keu hoʻi me ka ʻeleʻele a keʻokeʻo no ka mea flickers, ʻike ʻoe, e like me ka kinima kahiko. He hanu ke kiʻi, inā hiki iaʻu ke makamae. 

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Kelly McNeely: Maopopo iaʻu ua kūkulu ʻoe i ka hoʻonohonoho holoʻokoʻa, he mea kupaianaha ia. He aha nā luʻi o ke paʻi kiʻi ʻana ma kahi? 

ʻO Robert Eggers: ʻAe, ua kūkulu mākou i kēlā me kēia hale āu e ʻike ai i ke kiʻi ʻoniʻoni, me ka hale kiaʻi kukui he 70 kapuaʻi. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa kahi ipukukui i hana no mākou, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa kekahi me ke ala maikaʻi e kūpono e kī. Akā ke kūkulu ʻana i hoʻokahi no ka nui o kā mākou kaohi. No laila ma ke ʻano holoʻokoʻa, ke kī ʻana i kahi me ke kūkulu ʻana i nā seti he nui i hāʻawi iā mākou i ka nui o ka nui o nā tona. ʻO kēlā, i mea e haʻi pololei ai i ka moʻolelo, ua koho mākou i kahi wahi hoʻopaʻi ʻole loa kahi i ʻike ai mākou e loaʻa ana mākou i ka wā ʻino. A no laila i hāpai i nā pilikia he nui - ʻaʻole hiki ke neʻe wikiwiki e like me ke kanaka ma lalo o ka makani ikaika me ka ua nui, a ʻike ʻoe i nā mahana ma luna o ka hau a ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke neʻe wikiwiki; e wāwahi ana ke kāmera. No laila he nui nā pilikia, akā ʻaʻohe mea e namunamu. ʻO kēia ka mea a mākou i kau inoa ai. Makemake mākou e hoʻāʻo ʻia.

Ka Hale Kahu ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia i nā hale kiʻiʻoniʻoni kaupalena ʻia ma ka US ma ʻOkakopa 18, me kahi hoʻokuʻu ākea e ukali ai ma ʻOkakopa 25.